Sunday, September 10th, 2000

hey its courtney=i have an idea

since me and brooke have decided that
we do not
want to put lots of lame assed ads on this board, and that we dont particularly want to give fifty percent of the site away to company x
= bless thier revolutionary greedy souls= so that they can make fun of our site ie” yes but how do you monetise it” kind of squack, and since brookes not a programmer shes just a genius= heres what well do;
ill lurk a little more in these folders and ill answer questions if theyre smart or interesting or relevant= so the ask courtney me thing can actually work in a commonsense sort of way and not in a way where we give away
fifty
percent of the coolest site for a band on the net is;
i want you guys to help me make it more than a band site;
i want a community;it already is becoming one, lets take it further!

ive always felt so totally lucky that i can look at a hole audience and see three quarters of an audience of people id actually hang out with= so i think that what “we” are is a group of pretty obnoxious genius people with cool ideas that we basically get in trouble for on a daily basis
heres what i want to see on this site:
photos= i want you to scan yourselves so we all know who were talking to with a little description on the bottom of whatever your deal is, when you post, i dont care if you have a bag on your head as long as the bag makes a statement, i want you guys to get laid because of this site, wait I want to get laid becaus of this site even; lets get russsell crowe signed up NOW;;;;;;heh;

i gave brooke a ton of my old 96 era slips and cool leather pants
and shit to give away to contest winners shes got boxes of them=brooke is totally overwhelmed due to the factthat we wont sell out and so the contests havent really done what we need; but you guys are going tohelp change it right?

so far as far as im concerned the winners of any of my cool
or uncool
clothes are anok just because shes a rad bitch, that guy that designed hole shirts= dude i showed your stuff tot he creative art director at universal he LOVES you so maybe you can get a job i love the idea of getting the talented people in this community PAID

your t shirt stuff was sure as shit better than anything corporate nightmare Giant designs in thier mafia basement(t shirt companies nowadays are scarce theres two big ones and theyre notorious for being sort of mafia run, ie tony soprano would be int he t shirt biz if you get my drift) as wellas the girl that did that genius album cover mock up im totally using;

brooke will you put up the pictures you put of those clothes and see if anyone wants them?
one rule

you guys CANNOT sell my shit to any hard rock cafe rock n roll hall of bleh ever under any circumstance and when you win stuff you have to sign a thing declaring and swearing you wont

i gave brooke tons of my couture stuff from my movie star phase too= so dont sell that either= be ghetto fabulous and wear my old versace stuff with pride; it was either sell it on consignment, stick it inthe basement or give it to you guys;

we called drew bs partner nan to see if we could get two tickets to the charlies angels premiere= itll be fun= drew swears they eat in every scene and they opted to do a drive thru at a fosters freeze not a taco bell fucking up her meat eating corporate tie ins; and pissing off the studio to no end; drew is a total anarchist; i mean it; we love drew because americas sweetheart has johnny rottens soul; and shes a double pisces;
i think well get the tickets too

the other thing i really want from you guys is registration;

after a hundred thousand members
we have to go for a subscription fee(tiny) but for the first hundred thousand i can guarantee youll get the next record free in snail mail and as a heavily encrypted anti hacker file, where ill damm well source the ones of you that chop it up for mp3 and come unplug your fridges personally
i mean it; mp3 just gave 180 million bucks to universal and not a dime of it is going to bb king or chuck berry or dishwalla or eminem or no doubt or garbage or limp bloody bizket ( i need to digress again= two items ;f
irst off whats with that limp bizket title chocalae water hot dog starfish? fred needs a rilke book or yeats or something
puh lease make it stop and now freds starting a TV station? like whose giving him THAT hundred million? lets get our own tv station and call it KittyRadio and we can all format it crikey) and mp3 knew that none of it was going to artists and the president of mp3
just whines at me about how he “didnt make these crappy deals to begin with” but doesnt have the cajones to change the crappy deals for old poor cats who dont even own homes, but does your mom know every word to “Stand By Me”?
does the writer have a dime?probably not

yes; sorry im on this tear about the biz id much rather be recording and i willbe soon and ill stop boring you guys withthis stuff but it is sort of important so just bear with us

anyway

registration= youll get free tickets to concerts in your areas , tickets to my and my friends/people ilike and we like

films,i will pester ms jolie to rock us some lara croft tix when thats done and ask christina ricci for prozac nation tix too, and pester garbage and pj harvey maybe too,for live tickets,two of the girls in sleater kinney think im a big corporate hoe so youll have to buy thos etickets yourself sorry= anyway i personally will get us cool perks,lots of em, and cooler than the fake perks offered by like;;;;;kibu…i have a thing about kibu im sorry…. i wont go on or someone may kill me but i believe that registration in this site should equal real tactile stuff not pie in the sky “content” fantasies= i just want the initial body of this community to get community like so its not just hole= since were a ways off from the record anyway, but like more of a community where im the boss =dude= but your the voting committee; we basically all hold alot of the same opinions= wich is why i love this job, heres a site full of people i like, and i hope you like me too sort of, or at least acknowledge that ive got good taste= if we register as a community we have the power of a community, hole becomes kitty radio=wich we want to evolve to= thats our site name KittyRadio=isnt that a cool name?
yes.
and we get to do cool stuff, i want someone tointerview kim pierce my big crush whod be totally into telling us how to mak eindie films, shes obsessed with girls learning technical aspects of filmmaking, (she directed boys dont cry with triple pisces peter saarsgard crush worthy beyond in it) but i need one of youguys to do it, theres just me brooke and evan and we do not want to sell out; we do not want ads and we dont want people telling us what to do,

but theres only so many hours in a day= we need some of you to participate in interviews and ideas and chats=

i got four digital cameras from sony and i want to send them to some of you who want to do it and have you film your life tha day or maybe going pee or something that would fascinate the rest of us, but again, you cant steal the cameras; and then send them onto to some other members and well show your fabulous shorts

me and rebecca from gurl want to writea musica with her animation girls she made and share that betweenhole/kitty radio and gurl;

i want to get friendly ex edward norton(who i love alot despite the fact that i just saw a picture in a magazine of his present hugely hot girlfriend wearing the exact same necklace he got me once so im annoyed) and teaching you guys about philanthropy and how vital charity work is the way he taught me, to give you guys his “trust the closeup” speech= wich is brilliant= and i want to get lili on here telling us about why i took four hours to get ready for a shot and she just put in a scrunchie and some nivea.
how can one genius actor be so unvain? i dont know
only lili does;lets ask her;

“lili why are you sucha genius”?
i want to be able to give you guys bonus tracks too;

hole is going to play live at a womens prison ala johnny cash at folsom at christmas and i think this amazing director is going to shoot the documentary ; i want you guys to hear it first here(the problem this second is wich prison= minnesota oregon and iowa are fine but i want this place in france la maison de femmes _ thehouse of women= 90 percent of all women in prison are there for either doing away with a man who almost killed them many many times or even more so sitting in a car or carryingthe drugs for some guy= theyhave to wear mens clothes because there arent facilities for them and its a totally intense situation, in france they are almost all there for being drug mules= well get intothiswhen i pick the prison) i want some of you guys to come to that and i want you tp have it first

but youve got to register

and the numbers got to be a good high number before i and brooke can create this community the way you want and set an example for all the male dot com richie riches who natter about “content” and tryt ot sell us baseball scores and “entertainment news” to feed you guys like your dumb moo cows instead of people we know are as smart as us;

i just saw the film i did with lili and i havent been able to say this in awhile about a film im in= it rocks= its really really good and this great exploration of lesbianism and why middle class ladies are int hec loset and stay there ot go back there and lili looks really hot in it=

if we get our registration high i cn say to the producers= holecom is really powerful and you guys have to give these people free tickets and sneaks and whatever they want

i think you get the picture;

anyway so if you like it here and want to be part of it evolving to something excellent :register

well take care of the rest

heres another thing

brooke and i havent sold this site out, because no way in hell are we letting anyone “harvest” our “data” meaning give your identities to the latest “teen marketing craze” person wanting to pester yopu with pop n porn;
its NEVER going to happen;
if we do a deal with a razorfish company or more likely people we really like and know like gurl.com wichis the cool chick site=(were stopping the pink and recomend this to anyone else btw) they know thats part of the deal.

you will never be getting delias sales in your e mails; ever;

okay thats it for now

write me good questions at courtney at the lollipop.com;
please dont disabuse this e mail, i love the domain name and dont want just fan stuff there, send me interesting questions good books to read and real stuff to talk about.

also;
if your being a lame ass on this site and just here tobe an aggro racist sexist homophobe guess what? were kicking you off HA HA HA
this is not a de,mocracy and its not aol; ha ha; thats the beauty of a website;

when you register= wich now you have to in droves so we can get all sorts of cool shit happening= scan a picture so we can all see how fancy like a

princess you are

this week im in love love love with cameron crowes almost famous movie its on dreamworks so there must be a website= please check it out it rules;

and allen mcgees new lable website poptones
the girl that runs it is named saffron flowers and we have to love her just for her name;

feedback is welcome as always

ps please dont ask dorky questiojs, ill be happy to answer smart ones; just not silly ones;

pps so why is everyone freaking out about corey parks? i have not played withher yet, i just think she plays really cool and she is rock, but nothing is even definite yet; opinions are welcome; i love the idea of feeling short, i always slouch so a six foot three amazon is a hot idea but its in the playing and if we gel:
she just told me she has “fist fuck” tattoed on her knuckles this disturbs and intrigues me; what do you think?

as far as missing melissa= theres only one melissa and she is fabulous, but she consigend herself to being a girlfriend at this point and she could never write =thats not a dis, im just very particular about bassists playing and leading above the drums, mel had energy and was sexy and could sing and i loved going out to parties withher and playing with her and i love her, but i need someone who can write and kick my ass, so lets stop romanticising her coming back, its not going to happen;
evan will keep you posted;

love
clover

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britney/foo/artistdirect
Friday, September 1st, 2000

http://hole.com/soapbox/showthread.php?s=&postid=171646#post171646 - DATE UKNOWN, around Olympic games time

i think the corporate artist direct sites have a more disney mentality shiny happy “fans”

” its all a happy univers of FAnDOM and fans WORSHIP celebrities”

i only know when iw as fourteen i didnt worship anyone( except the guy who played “swan” in “the Warriors”- and even then i just wanted to fuck him)

i wanted to find out what people i like din bands or writers or even cher had going on intheir heads that gave them an interesting life force and alot of Chi and how good songs were written and good films were made and what makes good film acting and inspired poetry- why?

COS I WANTED TO USE IT FOR MY OWN GAIN

Because im a capitalist dammit and i wanted my life to be a big adventure.

and i assume every single person here feels the exact same way.

so “fandom” accordingt o “business models” for “celebrity sites” represents a worshipful, no warts, no zits , no bootleg trading happy fake shiny fake manic snile environment and i loathe it. like a picture of Jonbenet at a pageant. the alanis site ( sorry to bash but i have to) its got like… apicture she took of a bus a year ago. its lame as all lame can be. and cloying in a “fan” worship yucko way.

wow.

Theres a lot of chiefs on this site, im just one of them and even then im sure emit is a bigger chief than me.

and Andy cherry is a bigger sex symbol than ill ever be.

so i thank you for your support and for understanding that i look at celebrity as concept art in alot of ways because its too strange and stupid not to.

PS i like Jewel for lots of reasons , mostly because i hink shes a freak in a good way and because i think she rides her dammed horses and makes her elderberry jam and posts on her own site and it might be “drippy” the same way im a “bitch” but shes organically insanely talented in her own way and obviously thinks of clebrity as concept art too. is her site any good? ive never beent here. Do jewel people get in insane fights?”jewel sellout or not” “jewel -punk as fuck or martha stewart” “jewels cow died- did she have it killed for the meat or the leather?”

its probably pretty peace and love , but still theres something dark and wierd and cool about Jewel. Im working on this jewel thesis of mine. Maybe i need to buy an album. I bought her second book and i totally liked it! its like a wierd little scrapbook ….. the cover is whack as hell but she make sme want to buy a ranch and go out with rodeo guys.